You Can't Win If You Don't Play: A Late-Life Filmmaker's Story

The meaning of "you can't win if you don't play" is simple: if you stop trying, you give up any chance of winning. That is the phrase Bradley Hawkins has lived by through a youth marching band, a high school classroom and a second career as an indie film director. In this conversation with his former student Jeremy Van Wert, he explains how that belief carried him through setbacks.